Uranus & Neptune's Shocking Makeover, Blue Origin's Next Steps, and Martian Whirlwinds
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Uranus & Neptune's Shocking Makeover, Blue Origin's Next Steps, and Martian Whirlwinds

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  • Reclassification of Uranus and Neptune: New research from the University of Zurich challenges the long-held belief that Uranus and Neptune are ice giants. Advanced computer models suggest these planets may actually be rock giants, altering our understanding of their formation and evolution. This groundbreaking finding could necessitate a reevaluation of how we classify exoplanets, as well.
  • Blue Origin's Upcoming Launch: Blue Origin is set to make headlines with its New Shepard suborbital vehicle, vital for expanding humanity's access to space. Each launch contributes crucial data that enhances safety and prepares for more ambitious missions, including the upcoming New Glenn rocket, which aims to support lunar missions.
  • Philosophical Reflections on Humanity's Place: As we explore the cosmos, we confront profound questions about our existence and uniqueness. The search for extraterrestrial life and studies of dark matter and energy drive our understanding of where we fit in the grand cosmic tapestry.
  • Dust Devils on Mars: European Space Agency orbiters have mapped over 1,000 dust devils on Mars, revealing they can reach speeds of up to 98 mph. This data is crucial for future Mars missions, helping scientists refine atmospheric models and improve weather forecasts for sustained human presence on the planet.
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  • Thank you for tuning in. This is Anna and Avery signing off. Until next time, keep looking up and exploring the wonders of our universe.
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Uranus and Neptune Research
[University of Zurich](https://www.uzh.ch/en.html)
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[NASA](https://www.nasa.gov/)
Mars Dust Devils Study
[European Space Agency](https://www.esa.int/)
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00:00:00 --> 00:00:02 Anna: Welcome to Astronomy Daily, your quick dive

00:00:02 --> 00:00:04 into the cosmos with me, Anna and me

00:00:04 --> 00:00:05 Avery.

00:00:05 --> 00:00:08 Avery: We've got some fascinating stories for you

00:00:08 --> 00:00:10 today, from our solar system's mysterious ice

00:00:10 --> 00:00:13 giants, possibly being rock giants, to

00:00:13 --> 00:00:16 Blue Origin's next big launch, and some

00:00:16 --> 00:00:19 mind bending theories about humanity's place

00:00:19 --> 00:00:20 in the universe.

00:00:20 --> 00:00:22 Anna: That's right. Let's kick things off with a

00:00:22 --> 00:00:25 rather surprising reclassification for two of

00:00:25 --> 00:00:28 our own planetary neighbors. You know how we

00:00:28 --> 00:00:29 always refer to Uranus and Neptune as ice

00:00:29 --> 00:00:32 giants? Well, a new study is

00:00:32 --> 00:00:34 challenging that long held belief.

00:00:34 --> 00:00:36 Avery: Yeah, it's pretty wild. Researchers from the

00:00:36 --> 00:00:39 University of Zurich have been digging into

00:00:39 --> 00:00:41 their interior structures using advanced

00:00:41 --> 00:00:44 computer models and existing planetary data.

00:00:45 --> 00:00:47 And what they found suggests these planets

00:00:47 --> 00:00:50 might actually be rock giants instead.

00:00:50 --> 00:00:52 Anna: Indeed, the implications of this study are

00:00:52 --> 00:00:55 quite profound. If Uranus and Neptune are

00:00:55 --> 00:00:57 primarily composed of rock rather than the

00:00:57 --> 00:01:00 icy mixtures we've long assumed, it

00:01:00 --> 00:01:02 significantly alters our understanding of how

00:01:02 --> 00:01:05 these planets formed and evolved. This isn't

00:01:05 --> 00:01:07 just a minor tweak to planetary

00:01:07 --> 00:01:08 classifications. It could necessitate a

00:01:08 --> 00:01:10 complete re evaluation of models of planet

00:01:10 --> 00:01:13 formation in the outer solar system. For

00:01:13 --> 00:01:15 decades, the ice giant moniker

00:01:15 --> 00:01:18 suggested a composition rich in water,

00:01:18 --> 00:01:21 methane and ammonia ices. However, the

00:01:21 --> 00:01:23 University of Zurich's research, led by Dr.

00:01:23 --> 00:01:26 Joachim Sauerkraut, suggests a different

00:01:26 --> 00:01:28 picture. Their advanced computer

00:01:28 --> 00:01:30 simulations, which integrate various

00:01:30 --> 00:01:32 geophysical and astrophysical data,

00:01:33 --> 00:01:35 indicate that the pressure and temperature

00:01:35 --> 00:01:36 conditions within these planets are more

00:01:36 --> 00:01:39 conducive to the formation of silicates

00:01:39 --> 00:01:42 and other rocky materials than previously

00:01:42 --> 00:01:45 thought. This would mean that a substantial

00:01:45 --> 00:01:47 portion of their mass, perhaps even the

00:01:47 --> 00:01:50 majority, is in a solid rocky state deep

00:01:50 --> 00:01:51 beneath their thick atmospheres.

00:01:52 --> 00:01:54 Avery: Absolutely, Anna. Uh, this groundbreaking

00:01:54 --> 00:01:56 research from the University of Zurich,

00:01:56 --> 00:01:59 building on the work of Dr. Joachim Sauer and

00:01:59 --> 00:02:02 his team, suggests a radical departure from

00:02:02 --> 00:02:05 the conventional wisdom. For so long, the

00:02:05 --> 00:02:07 term ice giants has been ingrained in our

00:02:07 --> 00:02:10 astronomical lexicon, painting a picture of

00:02:10 --> 00:02:13 these distant worlds as swirling masses of

00:02:13 --> 00:02:15 frozen water, methane and ammonia.

00:02:16 --> 00:02:18 But if these advanced computer models are

00:02:18 --> 00:02:20 correct, then we're talking about a

00:02:20 --> 00:02:22 significant portion of their internal

00:02:22 --> 00:02:25 structure being made of much denser rocky

00:02:25 --> 00:02:28 material. Imagine a core that's not

00:02:28 --> 00:02:30 just icy sludge, but a solidified

00:02:31 --> 00:02:34 high pressure rock formation hundreds of

00:02:34 --> 00:02:36 thousands of kilometers across. This would

00:02:36 --> 00:02:38 challenge our fundamental understanding of

00:02:38 --> 00:02:41 how planets accumulate material during their

00:02:41 --> 00:02:43 formation. Did they accrete more rocky

00:02:43 --> 00:02:46 planetesimals than previously thought? Or did

00:02:46 --> 00:02:49 some process during their evolution lead to a

00:02:49 --> 00:02:51 differentiation where heavier elements sank

00:02:51 --> 00:02:54 deeper and solidified under immense

00:02:54 --> 00:02:56 pressure? The implications are vast,

00:02:57 --> 00:02:59 not just for Uranus and Neptune, but for

00:02:59 --> 00:03:02 exoplanetary science as well. Many

00:03:02 --> 00:03:04 exoplanets are classified Based on

00:03:04 --> 00:03:06 assumptions Derived from our own solar

00:03:06 --> 00:03:08 system. If our ice giants Are actually

00:03:09 --> 00:03:11 rock giants, Then our classifications for

00:03:11 --> 00:03:14 distant worlds Might also need a serious

00:03:14 --> 00:03:17 reevaluation. It's a truly exciting time

00:03:17 --> 00:03:19 for planetary science. As new data and

00:03:19 --> 00:03:22 sophisticated modeling techniques Continually

00:03:22 --> 00:03:24 push the boundaries of our knowledge. This

00:03:24 --> 00:03:27 re evaluation Of Uranus and Neptune's

00:03:27 --> 00:03:29 composition. Opens up a fascinating new

00:03:29 --> 00:03:32 chapter in planetary science. It forces us to

00:03:32 --> 00:03:35 reconsider the very definition Of a giant

00:03:35 --> 00:03:38 planet. And how these colossal celestial

00:03:38 --> 00:03:40 bodies are formed. Traditionally, married

00:03:41 --> 00:03:43 models of planetary formation Focus on two

00:03:43 --> 00:03:46 main the core accretion, uh, model,

00:03:46 --> 00:03:48 Where a solid core forms first and then

00:03:48 --> 00:03:51 attracts gas, and the disk instability

00:03:51 --> 00:03:54 model, where portions of the protoplanetary

00:03:54 --> 00:03:56 disk collapse directly. If Uranus and

00:03:56 --> 00:03:59 Neptune are primarily rocky, it might

00:03:59 --> 00:04:02 suggest A more robust role for rocky

00:04:02 --> 00:04:05 planetesimals in their formation. Or perhaps

00:04:05 --> 00:04:07 a different evolutionary track where

00:04:07 --> 00:04:09 significant amounts of lighter elements Were

00:04:09 --> 00:04:12 lost over time. This could also shed light

00:04:12 --> 00:04:14 on the diversity of exoplanets we're

00:04:14 --> 00:04:17 discovering. Some exoplanets Classified as

00:04:17 --> 00:04:20 mini Neptunes or super Earths. Could

00:04:20 --> 00:04:22 potentially have compositions similar to

00:04:22 --> 00:04:25 these newly theorized rock giants. Blurring

00:04:25 --> 00:04:27 the lines between these categories. The

00:04:27 --> 00:04:29 implications are truly far reaching,

00:04:29 --> 00:04:32 Extending beyond our solar system to the

00:04:32 --> 00:04:34 broader understanding of planet formation

00:04:34 --> 00:04:37 across the galaxy. It's a testament to

00:04:37 --> 00:04:40 the dynamic nature of scientific discovery.

00:04:40 --> 00:04:42 Where even long held beliefs about our cosmic

00:04:42 --> 00:04:45 neighbors can be challenged and refined by

00:04:45 --> 00:04:47 new data and innovative theoretical

00:04:47 --> 00:04:47 frameworks.

00:04:48 --> 00:04:50 Anna: Now let's shift our gaze from the depths of

00:04:50 --> 00:04:53 planetary interiors to the exciting frontiers

00:04:53 --> 00:04:56 of commercial spaceflight. Blue Origin,

00:04:56 --> 00:04:59 Jeff Bezos's aerospace company, Is once

00:04:59 --> 00:05:01 again making headlines with its preparations

00:05:01 --> 00:05:03 for another significant launch. These

00:05:03 --> 00:05:06 missions, while often appearing routine to

00:05:06 --> 00:05:08 the casual observer, Are critical steps in

00:05:08 --> 00:05:11 expanding humanity's access to space, Pushing

00:05:11 --> 00:05:14 the boundaries of technology, and ultimately

00:05:14 --> 00:05:17 making space travel more accessible. Blue

00:05:17 --> 00:05:19 Origin's New Shepard suborbital vehicle has

00:05:19 --> 00:05:21 been a workhorse for short trips to the edge

00:05:21 --> 00:05:23 of space, Carrying both scientific payloads

00:05:23 --> 00:05:26 and private astronauts. Each launch provides

00:05:26 --> 00:05:29 invaluable data, Allowing engineers to refine

00:05:29 --> 00:05:32 systems and enhance safety and prepare for

00:05:32 --> 00:05:34 even more ambitious endeavors. Like their new

00:05:34 --> 00:05:37 Glenn Orbital rocket, which aims to deliver

00:05:37 --> 00:05:39 heavier payloads to higher orbits and

00:05:39 --> 00:05:42 eventually support lunar missions. The

00:05:42 --> 00:05:43 iterative nature of these launches is

00:05:43 --> 00:05:46 essential. Every flight, even

00:05:46 --> 00:05:48 seemingly minor ones, Contributes to a

00:05:48 --> 00:05:50 growing body of knowledge that fuels future

00:05:50 --> 00:05:53 innovations and brings us closer to a

00:05:53 --> 00:05:55 sustainable presence beyond Earth. We

00:05:55 --> 00:05:57 often focus on the spectacle of human

00:05:57 --> 00:06:00 spaceflight. But the unsung heroes

00:06:00 --> 00:06:02 are often the scientific experiments and

00:06:02 --> 00:06:04 technological demonstrations that ride

00:06:04 --> 00:06:07 alongside gathering data in

00:06:07 --> 00:06:09 microgravity and testing new systems that

00:06:09 --> 00:06:12 will power the next generation of space

00:06:12 --> 00:06:12 exploration.

00:06:13 --> 00:06:16 Avery: Indeed, Anna Blue Origin's strategy, much

00:06:16 --> 00:06:18 like that of other private space ventures, is

00:06:18 --> 00:06:20 a testament to the power of incremental

00:06:20 --> 00:06:23 progress. Each New Shepard flight, whether

00:06:23 --> 00:06:25 it's sending scientific instruments to

00:06:25 --> 00:06:27 conduct microgravity research or taking

00:06:27 --> 00:06:30 private citizens on a brief but unforgettable

00:06:30 --> 00:06:32 journey to the Karman Line, is a building

00:06:32 --> 00:06:35 block. These suborbital hops are not just

00:06:35 --> 00:06:37 about spectacle. They are vital testing

00:06:37 --> 00:06:40 grounds. They allow engineers to gather real

00:06:40 --> 00:06:42 world data on everything from propulsion

00:06:42 --> 00:06:45 systems and structural integrity to crew

00:06:45 --> 00:06:47 safety protocols and landing precision.

00:06:48 --> 00:06:50 This data is then fed back into the design

00:06:50 --> 00:06:52 and development of their more ambitious

00:06:52 --> 00:06:55 projects, Particularly the massive New Glenn

00:06:55 --> 00:06:58 Orbital rocket. New Glenn, with its

00:06:58 --> 00:07:00 immense payload capacity, is designed to

00:07:00 --> 00:07:02 launch satellites, interplanetary probes, and

00:07:02 --> 00:07:04 even components for future lunar landers and

00:07:04 --> 00:07:07 orbital habitats. The vision extends

00:07:07 --> 00:07:10 far beyond just getting to space. It's about

00:07:10 --> 00:07:12 creating a sustainable, accessible

00:07:12 --> 00:07:14 infrastructure for human activity in the

00:07:14 --> 00:07:17 cosmos. And it's not just about the rockets

00:07:17 --> 00:07:19 themselves. Blue Origin is also deeply

00:07:19 --> 00:07:22 involved in developing engines such as the

00:07:22 --> 00:07:24 B4, which powers both New Glenn and

00:07:24 --> 00:07:27 United Launch Alliance's Vulcan Centaur

00:07:27 --> 00:07:29 rocket. This kind of intercompany

00:07:29 --> 00:07:32 collaboration and shared technology further

00:07:32 --> 00:07:34 accelerates the pace of innovation in the

00:07:34 --> 00:07:37 space industry. It's a truly exciting era

00:07:37 --> 00:07:39 where the dream of widespread space access

00:07:40 --> 00:07:42 is slowly but surely becoming a tangible

00:07:42 --> 00:07:45 reality. Driven by these relentless efforts

00:07:45 --> 00:07:47 and engineering and iterative testing.

00:07:47 --> 00:07:49 Anna: Absolutely, Avery. The commercial space

00:07:49 --> 00:07:51 sector, spearheaded by companies like Blue

00:07:51 --> 00:07:53 Origin, isn't just about sending rockets

00:07:53 --> 00:07:56 skyward. It's about democratizing access to

00:07:56 --> 00:07:59 space and fostering a new era of innovation.

00:07:59 --> 00:08:01 Think about the ripple effect. As launch

00:08:01 --> 00:08:04 costs decrease and capabilities expand, more

00:08:04 --> 00:08:06 research can be conducted in microgravity,

00:08:07 --> 00:08:09 new industries can emerge, and eventually

00:08:09 --> 00:08:11 more people will have the opportunity to

00:08:11 --> 00:08:14 experience space firsthand. This isn't just a

00:08:14 --> 00:08:17 distant dream. It's a tangible future being

00:08:17 --> 00:08:19 built with each successful mission. The

00:08:19 --> 00:08:22 pursuit of sustainable space infrastructure,

00:08:22 --> 00:08:25 from orbital hotels to lunar bases, relies

00:08:25 --> 00:08:27 heavily on the foundational work being done

00:08:27 --> 00:08:30 now. Blue Origin's vision Grata

00:08:30 --> 00:08:32 team ferocity, step by step, ferociously,

00:08:32 --> 00:08:35 perfectly encapsulates this methodical yet

00:08:35 --> 00:08:37 ambitious approach. They are not only

00:08:37 --> 00:08:39 building rockets, but also developing the

00:08:39 --> 00:08:41 underlying technologies that will make

00:08:41 --> 00:08:44 sustained human presence in space a reality.

00:08:44 --> 00:08:46 This includes advanced engines, reusable

00:08:46 --> 00:08:49 launch systems, and even conceptual designs

00:08:49 --> 00:08:50 for space habitats.

00:08:50 --> 00:08:52 It's a long term game, but one with profound

00:08:52 --> 00:08:55 implications for our species. As we look

00:08:55 --> 00:08:57 outwards, the very act of exploring and

00:08:57 --> 00:08:59 expanding our reach into the cosmos

00:08:59 --> 00:09:01 Inevitably leads us to ponder our own

00:09:01 --> 00:09:04 existence, our origins, and our ultimate

00:09:04 --> 00:09:06 destiny. It's a journey that forces us to

00:09:06 --> 00:09:08 confront Some of the most profound mind

00:09:08 --> 00:09:10 bending theories about humanity's place in

00:09:10 --> 00:09:13 the universe. From the vastness of the

00:09:13 --> 00:09:16 cosmos to the intricate dance of fundamental

00:09:16 --> 00:09:18 particles, the universe seems to whisper

00:09:18 --> 00:09:21 questions about our significance, our

00:09:21 --> 00:09:23 uniqueness, and whether we are truly alone.

00:09:24 --> 00:09:27 These are not merely philosophical musings,

00:09:27 --> 00:09:29 but deeply scientific inquiries that drive

00:09:29 --> 00:09:32 much of our astrophysical research. The

00:09:32 --> 00:09:34 search for extraterrestrial life, the study

00:09:34 --> 00:09:37 of exoplanets, and the exploration of dark

00:09:37 --> 00:09:40 matter and dark energy all contribute to our

00:09:40 --> 00:09:42 evolving understanding of, uh, where we fit

00:09:42 --> 00:09:45 in the grand cosmic tapestry. It's a

00:09:45 --> 00:09:47 humbling, yet exhilarating realization that

00:09:47 --> 00:09:49 our journey into space Is intrinsically

00:09:49 --> 00:09:52 linked to our quest for self knowledge. Each

00:09:52 --> 00:09:55 discovery, whether it's a new exoplanet Or a

00:09:55 --> 00:09:57 deeper insight into the early universe,

00:09:57 --> 00:09:59 Reframes our perspective and challenges our

00:09:59 --> 00:10:02 anthropocentric views, Pushing us to imagine

00:10:02 --> 00:10:04 possibilities Far beyond our terrestrial

00:10:04 --> 00:10:04 confines.

00:10:05 --> 00:10:08 Shifting gears from philosophical quests,

00:10:08 --> 00:10:10 let's talk about some fascinating new

00:10:10 --> 00:10:12 findings from Mars. European Space

00:10:12 --> 00:10:15 Agency orbiters, Mars Express and

00:10:15 --> 00:10:18 ExoMars Trace Gas Orbiter have been busy

00:10:18 --> 00:10:20 Mapping dust devils on the red planet.

00:10:20 --> 00:10:23 Avery: That's right, anna. Uh, over two decades,

00:10:23 --> 00:10:24 researchers tracked an astounding

00:10:24 --> 00:10:27 1 dust devils. And what

00:10:27 --> 00:10:30 they found is pretty remarkable. These

00:10:30 --> 00:10:33 Martian whirlwinds Can actually reach speeds

00:10:33 --> 00:10:35 up to 98 miles per hour, or

00:10:35 --> 00:10:38 158 kilometers per hour, which is

00:10:38 --> 00:10:40 much faster than we previously thought.

00:10:40 --> 00:10:42 Anna: And this isn't just a cool fact. These

00:10:42 --> 00:10:44 findings are incredibly important for future

00:10:44 --> 00:10:47 Mars missions. Understanding how these dust

00:10:47 --> 00:10:49 devils behave Helps us plan better,

00:10:50 --> 00:10:52 Especially when it comes to the impact of

00:10:52 --> 00:10:54 dust on rover solar panels and the selection

00:10:54 --> 00:10:56 of safe landing sites.

00:10:56 --> 00:10:59 Avery: It's also a testament to innovative tech. As

00:10:59 --> 00:11:01 artificial intelligence played a key role,

00:11:02 --> 00:11:05 AI was used to analyze how these dust

00:11:05 --> 00:11:08 devils Shifted between frames, Essentially

00:11:08 --> 00:11:10 turning what might have been dismissed as

00:11:10 --> 00:11:12 image noise into valuable scientific

00:11:12 --> 00:11:15 measurements of wind speed and direction.

00:11:15 --> 00:11:17 Anna: The data also revealed some interesting

00:11:17 --> 00:11:20 patterns. Martian dust devils are most

00:11:20 --> 00:11:22 frequent during the daytime in spring and

00:11:22 --> 00:11:24 summer, Typically peaking between late

00:11:24 --> 00:11:27 morning and early afternoon. And they usually

00:11:27 --> 00:11:28 last only a few minutes.

00:11:28 --> 00:11:31 Avery: What's particularly significant, though, is

00:11:31 --> 00:11:33 how Martian dust behaves Compared to Earth.

00:11:34 --> 00:11:37 Here, dust settles relatively quickly, but

00:11:37 --> 00:11:39 on Mars, dust can linger for months.

00:11:39 --> 00:11:42 This makes understanding its uplift mechanism

00:11:42 --> 00:11:44 critical for predicting the planet's weather

00:11:44 --> 00:11:46 and even its long term climate.

00:11:47 --> 00:11:50 Anna: Exactly. This new global data is invaluable.

00:11:50 --> 00:11:52 It's helping scientists refine atmospheric

00:11:52 --> 00:11:54 models and significantly improve future

00:11:54 --> 00:11:57 weather forecasts for Mars, which is crucial

00:11:57 --> 00:11:58 as we look towards more sustained human

00:11:58 --> 00:11:59 presence there.

00:11:59 --> 00:12:02 Avery: And it's this profound connection, Anna,

00:12:02 --> 00:12:04 between our exploration of the cosmos and our

00:12:04 --> 00:12:07 internal philosophical quests that makes

00:12:07 --> 00:12:09 astronomy so endlessly captivating. Every

00:12:09 --> 00:12:12 new mission, every telescope image, every

00:12:12 --> 00:12:15 theoretical breakthrough serves not just to

00:12:15 --> 00:12:17 fill our scientific journals, but to enrich

00:12:17 --> 00:12:20 our human experience. It makes us question,

00:12:20 --> 00:12:23 imagine, and ultimately understand ourselves

00:12:23 --> 00:12:25 better in the grand scheme of things. From

00:12:25 --> 00:12:28 the subatomic to the supercluster, the

00:12:28 --> 00:12:31 universe is a symphony of mysteries. And we,

00:12:31 --> 00:12:33 as curious observers, are both part of the

00:12:33 --> 00:12:36 music and its eager listeners. As we continue

00:12:36 --> 00:12:38 to delve into the vastness, we're not just

00:12:38 --> 00:12:40 finding answers about distant stars and

00:12:40 --> 00:12:43 galaxies, but also discovering more about the

00:12:43 --> 00:12:46 intricate, evolving story of life itself and.

00:12:46 --> 00:12:48 And its potential, both here on Earth and

00:12:48 --> 00:12:51 perhaps far beyond. This ongoing

00:12:51 --> 00:12:54 dialogue between the known and the unknown is

00:12:54 --> 00:12:56 the very essence of discovery, constantly

00:12:56 --> 00:12:58 inviting us to expand our perceptions of

00:12:58 --> 00:12:59 what's possible.

00:13:00 --> 00:13:02 Anna: And that's it for today. Thank you for coming

00:13:02 --> 00:13:05 along with us on our cosmic journey. Join us

00:13:05 --> 00:13:07 again tomorrow for more insights into our

00:13:07 --> 00:13:09 incredible universe on Astronomy Daily.

00:13:09 --> 00:13:11 Until then, keep looking up.

00:13:14 --> 00:13:15 : The stories we told.

00:13:20 --> 00:13:20 Avery: Mhm.

00:13:22 --> 00:13:23 : Stories

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00:13:34 --> 00:13:34 Avery: You.